January 27, 2022
In this podcast, Dr. Hotze speaks with renowned physician and author, Dr. Carolyn Dean, about the immune system, gut health, yeast overgrowth and magnesium. Dr. Carolyn Dean is a board-certified medical and naturopathic doctor who is referred to as “The Doctor of the Future.” Dr. Dean has written numerous books, including The Yeast Connection and Women’s Health along with William G. Crook, M.D., and The Magnesium Miracle.
3:11: Dr. Dean: You’ve settled on the two topics that I think are the most important for health, for chronic health, yeast overgrowth in the intestines and magnesium deficiency. I say they’re related to autoimmune disease and most everything that people are suffering from.
3:49: Dr. Dean: And then when we’re feeding them with sugar and taking cortisone drugs and women taking the birth control pill, it sets these yeast off so they overgrow. They crawl up into the small intestine and then start poking holes in the small intestine, and that’s called the leaky gut.
4:35: Dr. Dean: And with yeast, what happens is there’s 178 different yeast toxins that can be absorbed through that leaky gut into the bloodstream, into your tissues, cross reacting with organs and hormones, giving you brain fog, giving you rashes, symptoms from head to foot, which doctors ignore. Medical doctors, allopathic medicine, may ignore all this and treat the symptoms.
6:51: Dr. Hotze: The yeast is like a fungus among us, and it gets in and it produces toxins and those toxins depress our immune system. And when your immune system’s depressed, it makes you more susceptible to infections now, and if you have allergies, you get the chronic drainage and all that, and it’s a culture medium for bacteria.
8:13: Dr. Hotze: If you have yeast in your gut and down in your colon and you’re eating a high, simple carbohydrate diet, you’re eating sugars, you’re eating pizza, pasta, cookies, cakes, you’re eating potatoes, rice, and corn products, which all are simple carbohydrates, which are starches, which are sugar molecules, they convert to sugar.
13:31: Dr. Dean: I have a stabilized ion of silver, and silver is amazing in the ionic form. I’m not talking about colloidal compounds of silver. I’m talking about a silver ion that can get into the cells. And the thing about this picometer-sized silver is it actually stimulates stem cell production. And we don’t need stem cells to treat yeast, but it’s just kind of a sidebar of how powerful silver can be in the body.
14:24: Dr. Dean: So you have a gut that’s wounded with this leakiness, and you have an overgrowth of yeast, so you need something like Pico Silver that will heal the gut and will treat the yeast. And it also neutralizes the Herxheimer effect, the die-off that people get, where people just can’t stand to take a yeast treatment because they feel worse as all those yeast are dying off, and the 178 different yeast toxins are flooding the body
17:13: Dr. Hotze: …magnesium is a natural mineral that’s required by the body for literally hundreds of various enzymatic reactions. And in particularly, for the production of energy within the mitochondria, which is your power plant.
17:36: Dr. Dean: Well, it’s not just hundreds anymore. I’ve got it up to a thousand enzyme systems require magnesium, and I got that from a Dr. Workinger, W-O-R-K-I-N-G-E-R. He said that 80% of known metabolic functions require magnesium.
18:39: Dr. Dean: I had heart palpitations, leg cramps, sore neck and shoulder, all the symptoms of magnesium deficiency.
19:12: Dr. Dean: We need to be able to take enough magnesium to saturate us from head to toe to deal with these 1,000 enzyme systems. Every nerve in the body, every muscle, if you have a nerve twitch, that’s magnesium deficiency. Muscle spasms, your heart is a big muscle. When it spasms and goes into a heart attack, that’s magnesium deficiency.
22:53: Dr. Dean: Our magnesium, the ReMag, is not laxative, but people’s bowel movements get back to normal because the muscles are working properly, and it’s quite incredible.
25:16: Dr. Hotze: If you have a problem with migraine headaches, and if it’s not hormonally-related, think of magnesium. We have seen magnesium resolve migraine headaches dramatically, which is a whole lot better than getting on a bunch of drugs, folks.
Dr. Hotze: Welcome to Dr. Hotze’s Wellness Revolution. I believe every one of you needs to have a physician and a staff of professionals who can coach you on a path of health and wellness naturally, so as you mature, you enjoy better quality of life. You have energy, vitality, and enthusiasm for life.
Today, we are pleased to speak with a long-time friend of ours who is a renowned physician, a medical doctor, as well as a naturopathic doctor. That means she takes natural approaches to health. And frankly, she has degrees in both allopathic medicine, so she has a medical degree, and she went back to school and got a naturopathic medical degree, as well, and she now lives in Hawaii on the island of Maui. This is Dr. Carolyn Dean, who has written The Magnesium Miracle, among 50 or so other books she’s written in her spare time when she wasn’t enjoying life on the beautiful island of Maui. She writes books and she has been a tremendous help to me personally, and to all our guests that we service, because she introduced me to the benefits of magnesium in her book, The Magnesium Miracle, and this goes back 30 years. You wrote that book how many years ago?
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Well, it was the late ’90s.
Dr. Hotze: It was…
Dr. Carolyn Dean: So, yes, oh, my gosh, yes.
Dr. Hotze: So anyway, Dr. Carolyn Dean, we’re pleased to have you. And today what we really want to do is focus on, for our listeners, how they can strengthen their immune system, how they can be healthy, and we’re going to talk about those things that adversely affect our immune system, what we can do to make our immune systems healthier. And we’re going to start with what most people never think about, as far as good health. We’re going to start with the gut. We’re going to start with the intestines. We’re going to start with our digestive tract, because the old adage is, unless you have good pipes, you have to keep your pipes clean to be healthy.
And I was taught that by a very, very prominent entrepreneur who was very successful. He wasn’t even a doctor, and it was my dad. And he said, “Son, if you want to stay healthy, you have to keep the pipes clean. You have to run water through the water pipes. You have to keep your sewer pipes clean. You have to keep your blood pipes…you keep your air pipes clean, all of them clean. If you have clean pipes, you’re going to be healthy, and run water through them.” And so that’s when my dad told me, so when I think about the good health as I learned about yeast problems, and we’re going to talk about yeast with Dr. Carolyn Dean, when I adopted that from Dr. Crook…and you’ve written a book with Dr. Crook on the yeast connection.
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Right.
Dr. Hotze: So let’s talk about yeast. Let’s talk about what causes people to develop yeast problems in their gut, in their intestine. Dr. Dean?
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Sure. Thank you, Dr. Hotze. You’ve settled on the two topics that I think are the most important for health, for chronic health, yeast overgrowth in the intestines and magnesium deficiency. I say they’re related to autoimmune disease and most everything that people are suffering from. So with yeast, they are living in the intestines and they do a job in the intestines. They’re supposed to be there in the large intestine, but when we take antibiotics and kill off good and bad bacteria, we leave a vacuum for yeast to overgrow. And then when we’re feeding them with sugar and taking cortisone drugs and women taking the birth control pill, it sets these yeast off so they overgrow. They crawl up into the small intestine and then start poking holes in the small intestine, and that’s called the leaky gut.
Now, what did medicine do? It ignored yeast totally. I don’t think they wanted to be responsible for causing yeast overgrowth with their antibiotics, so they ignored yeast overgrowth. And the most they’ve done, alternative medicine, as well, is talking about SIBO, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. And what do they treat with? Antibiotics, so they make the yeast problem worse.
And with yeast, what happens is there’s 178 different yeast toxins that can be absorbed through that leaky gut into the bloodstream, into your tissues, cross reacting with organs and hormones, giving you brain fog, giving you rashes, symptoms from head to foot, which doctors ignore. Medical doctors, allopathic medicine, may ignore all this and treat the symptoms. So, that’s yeast overgrowth.
Dr. Hotze: Now, when I first discovered yeast overgrowth, it was as an allergist back in 1989 and 1990. And I would have women patients who would come in to see me and in their evaluation for allergies, they would mention to me that many of them had chronic female yeast infections. And it was always, of course…so it had been associated whenever they took antibiotics.
I remember when I was just doing general practice, whenever I would offer a woman an antibiotic, they would always say, “Well, be sure to give me a prescription for Monistat, please. I always get a yeast infection.” So I knew that occurred when people took antibiotics. And so women can get not only yeast in the colon and in the small intestine, but also, the vagina is lined with natural bacteria, and there’s some yeast there. And if you kill off the bacteria, well, the yeast is going to overgrow, you’re going to get a yeast infection. And sometimes they can become chronic, and they go to the doctors and they get all kind…I mean, they’ll give them injections. They do all kinds of crazy things, but they never clear up the underlying problem.
Now, if you do clear up that underlying problem, you can do that. We know you can give medication to kill yeast, not only change the diet, but you can be treated topically with something like Monistat, and you can take Diflucan and you can knock the yeast, but you still have yeast in the colon. So, that yeast in the colon, friends, as Dr. Dean described, produces toxins. These are mycotoxins. Myco means it’s a fungus. It’s a fungus. The yeast is like a fungus among us, and it gets in and it produces toxins and those toxins depress our immune system. And when your immune system’s depressed, it makes you more susceptible to infections now, and if you have allergies, you get the chronic drainage and all that, and it’s a culture medium for bacteria. Next thing you have a bacterial infection. They throw you on antibiotics again, and you start the whole thing over and over again. So you’re getting antibiotics, you’re clearing up an infection in your sinuses, but you get yeast. And the women get vaginal yeast infections, you get it in the colon, and you’ve got this chronic problem, and that causes the bloating and the belching and the gas.
Now let me…Carolyn, why don’t you explain to them about yeast and you, as a woman, you’ve made homemade bread, right?
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Yes, of course.
Dr. Hotze: Okay, you’ve made the bread. And so folks, what Dr. Dean does when she makes bread, she gets the flour and she puts the water in and gets her dough ready, but you have to get it to rise. You want it to rise, and to get it to rise, you have to put yeast in it. And so she gets a packet of Fleischmann yeast. You dump that in a glass of water, and if you want to activate it, you take a little bit of sugar. You just sprinkle it in that glass of water and it’ll go…it foams up, so she’s activated the yeast.
Well, guess what? If you have yeast in your gut and down in your colon and you’re eating a high, simple carbohydrate diet, you’re eating sugars, you’re eating pizza, pasta, cookies, cakes, you’re eating potatoes, rice, and corn products, which all are simple carbohydrates, which are starches, which are sugar molecules, they convert to sugar. And guess what? The yeast goes, “I love you,” and they grow and they give off the gas and the bloating. You get the bloating, belching, gas, gastroesophageal reflux, and it’s a mess. And of course, you go to the doctor and he gives you a what kind of pill? What color is it? Purple. He gives you the purple pill, Nexium. That’s the way he solves your problem.
So, Dr. Dean, explain to them the best way to treat yeast once you find it. First, you have to find a doctor that understands that it’s a problem. And you wrote a book with Dr. Crook, right?
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Yes, Women and the Yeast Connection, but there’s a few things here. Let me just say, Diflucan, that antifungal that’s used quite, I suppose, effectively, but at the same time, did you know that it’s a fluoride drug?
Dr. Hotze: Right.
Dr. Carolyn Dean: And fluoride molecules in these medications of, Prilosec, I think, is even one. They bind up magnesium, the fluoride molecules, turn it into a magnesium fluoride compound that it deposits in tendons and cartilage and causes brittleness in these areas of the body. And Cipro is a big fluoride drug, and what do we know about Cipro? It causes Achilles tendon rupture. So, my theory is that the magnesium fluoride from magnesium binding with fluoride, that in these drugs is causing so many side effects that we’re not even aware of.
The treatment for yeast overgrowth, you’ve already laid it out. You have to stop feeding the yeast with the sugars. And since I wouldn’t use Diflucan, I finally came upon a formula where I created an antifungal with Saccharomyces boulardii, which is a natural antifungal. It can be used in children for diarrhea, there’s lots of studies with that, and soil-based bacteria, probiotics, along with the antifungal. Because you know yourself that we’ve been trying to treat yeast for decades, and it keeps coming back. We can’t just make people be so strict that they hate their lives. You’re eating cardboard foods. You get no satisfaction. You take strong antifungals every once in a while. You feel better for a bit.
So, what I finally decided is personally, because I’ve had yeast overgrowth, I take this combination of Saccharomyces and probiotics every day, and my life is not disrupted. I’ll have my dessert or whatever, have my stress, because stress will also cause yeast overgrowth. So, my treatment…
Dr. Hotze: So, name the medication besides the probiotics. Spell that for me. I can’t hear the pronunciation.
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Saccharomyces bouulardii, S-A-C-C-H-R-O-M-Y-C-E-S, boulardii, B-O-U-R-L-A-R-D-I.
Dr. Hotze: Okay.
Dr. Carolyn Dean: I put that together in a combination called Flora ReVive, because after I’ve been in medicine for about 50 years, studying it on my own and in medical school and my naturopathic training, and I realized that people aren’t getting the right formulas. People love information. They hear us. They put it in the back of their brain, but bottom line, they want help. They want to be able to take something that works. And you know that with your clinic. That’s why your clinic is overflowing, because people are desperate for solutions.
Dr. Hotze: Well, that’s right. So, if somebody comes in for you and you’ve diagnosed that they have yeast overgrowth, clinically, they do. Now, we can do blood tests. We used to do blood tests on all that, but we just decided, my gosh, almost everybody we meet has that problem, and so we put everybody on what we call a yeast-free eating program.
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Right.
Dr. Hotze: And so what medications will you use when you put them on the initial program? Will you use anything besides the Saccharomyces boulardii?
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Yes. It’s boulardii.
Dr. Hotze: And we use it…
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Yes. I’ll use the Flora ReVive capsules and Pico Silver. I have a stabilized ion of silver, and silver is amazing in the ionic form. I’m not talking about colloidal compounds of silver. I’m talking about a silver ion that can get into the cells. And the thing about this picometer-sized silver is it actually stimulates stem cell production. And we don’t need stem cells to treat yeast, but it’s just kind of a sidebar of how powerful silver can be in the body.
It was used as the antibiotic of choice until the patented drugs came along and then they pushed it aside. But you know very well that they still use silver compounds for horrible burn patients because it’s a wound healer.
Dr. Hotze: Sure.
Dr. Carolyn Dean: So you have a gut that’s wounded with this leakiness, and you have an overgrowth of yeast, so you need something like Pico Silver that will heal the gut and will treat the yeast. And it also neutralizes the Herxheimer effect, the die-off that people get, where people just can’t stand to take a yeast treatment because they feel worse as all those yeast are dying off, and the 178 different yeast toxins are flooding the body.
Dr. Hotze: Additionally, in our treatment of yeast, Dr. Dean, we’ve also used Nystatin. Do you use that at all?
Dr. Carolyn Dean: I used to use it, and I must say, I’m not in private practice anymore. I’m just running my dietary supplement company.
Dr. Hotze: Right.
Dr. Carolyn Dean: And I certainly did use Nystatin, but it was the same thing. You had to keep using it over and over again because you can’t use it every day for a person’s life, but you can use, as I said, something like Saccharomyces boulardii and a soil-based probiotic.
Dr. Hotze: Well, that’s very interesting, and that’s an excellent idea. We have always, though, try to encourage our guests to eliminate carbohydrates and to change the way they think about eating. So we encourage cutting out your…
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Of course.
Dr. Hotze: Initially we eliminate them for a period of several months, treat them for the yeast, get that under control, and then they can add that back in occasionally. But at the same time, we really promote them to begin to think in terms of eating a yeast-free, ketogenic-friendly diet, so we’re high on good, healthy oils and fats. And I don’t know where you come down on that, on the keto eating…
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Oh, yes.
Dr. Hotze: …but we recommend good healthy oils and fats, good healthy greens, and a little bit of meat, basically, and try to eat an alkaline-type diet with a lot of vegetables.
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Yes. Well, the thing is…and I certainly follow a keto diet myself. It seems the most sensible. However, too many people are avoiding their vegetables to keep their carbs down, so what I found is people lack fibers, so I make sure they’re getting at least some psyllium seed every day. And they are lacking minerals, because they’re not getting the minerals from the fruits and vegetables that they’re avoiding, so that’s where I focus on…we’ll probably be able to talk briefly about my magnesium, which is an ionic-size magnesium.
Dr. Hotze: Well, let’s talk about magnesium and the benefits of magnesium, because magnesium is a natural mineral that’s required by the body for literally hundreds of various enzymatic reactions. And in particularly, for the production of energy within the mitochondria, which is your power plant. So why don’t you talk to us about the benefits and the essential…how necessary magnesium is for good health?
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Right. Well, it’s not just hundreds anymore. I’ve got it up to a thousand enzyme systems require magnesium, and I got that from a Dr. Workinger, W-O-R-K-I-N-G-E-R. He said that 80% of known metabolic functions require magnesium. Now, that’s huge. As you say, energy, six of the eight steps in the Krebs Cycle in the mitochondria that make energy, six of those eight steps require magnesium. So you’ll have a client or a patient come in and say they’re fatigued. What do most allopathic doctors do? They say, “Oh, you must be depressed. You’re not sleeping well. Okay, here’s some medication.” What do we do? We say, “Take magnesium. Take enough to saturate your body.”
When I got into magnesium, the study of it, when Random House asked me to write that book in the late ’90s, I had heart palpitations, leg cramps, sore neck and shoulder, all the symptoms of magnesium deficiency. But when I went to find a magnesium that I could take to relieve my symptoms, I immediately got the laxative effect. So, I spent 10 years trying to find a supplement company that would research and make a non-laxative magnesium. That’s our problem. Doctors, they’ll give magnesium to people, they’ll get diarrhea, and then the patient will quit. We need to be able to take enough magnesium to saturate us from head to toe to deal with these 1,000 enzyme systems. Every nerve in the body, every muscle, if you have a nerve twitch, that’s magnesium deficiency. Muscle spasms, your heart is a big muscle. When it spasms and goes into a heart attack, that’s magnesium deficiency.
I’ve listed 65 conditions that are related to magnesium deficiency that are treated with drugs. We have people in our customer base, they’ve been on a dozen drugs. They start saturating with ReMag and they get rid of their drugs. And allopathic doctors don’t really want to hear about this, and it’s because, as you know, we never learned anything about nutrition or dietary supplements in medical school. They’re pooh-poohed. They’re put down. The drug companies are attacking dietary supplements right and left because that interferes with drug prescription.
Dr. Hotze: That’s exactly right. Now on the magnesium, your ReMag, what type of magnesium is that? What salt is that? Is that a magnesium…
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Magnesium chloride, but it’s a stabilized ion of magnesium. We’ve done a study, a university study at Purdue, where they analyze the particle size of the ReMag. They put it through a light-scattering technology where they put our ReMag that’s been sitting on a shelf for months, and they put it in a clear container, and they shine a light through it. The light goes right through. There’s nothing there to stop the light because it is the size of an ion, picometer in size. So, that size is what is allowed into the cells.
And what happens with magnesium compounds, glycinate, the chelates, you name any other magnesium compound, is they have to wait, or the body has to wait until the magnesium compound breaks down into the magnesium and the other part. And for a split second, before magnesium joins back again to make a compound, for that split second, it’s an ion, and that’s what’s absorbed. So that’s why we know now that magnesium oxide is only 4% absorbed. The rest of it becomes a laxative. So, it’s all about the ionic nature of minerals to be able to be absorbed fully at the cellular level where everything occurs. It’s all about the cell.
Dr. Hotze: Right. So you recommend the ReMag, the liquid ReMag, which I have used. I’m not using it right now. We have mag citrate and mag glycinate, and just listening to you, probably I would do a whole lot better if I went back on my ReMag. I feel like I’m doing really well now, but who knows how well I would do. I’ve always said the laxative effect is beneficial because people have often told me, “You’re just full of it, Dr. Hotze.” And I say…[laughter]
Dr. Carolyn Dean: No, but what happens, if you get the right amount of magnesium in the muscles of your intestines, the muscles of the intestines work properly. Our magnesium, the ReMag, is not laxative, but people’s bowel movements get back to normal because the muscles are working properly, and it’s quite incredible. Yes, you’ll see.
I mean, look, you and I, we’re in our 70s and look how healthy we are because we do take our nutrients. But people have no idea of how much better they could feel. For example, I’ll have customers will say, “Well, I take half a teaspoon of ReMag twice a day, and my atrial fibrillation is so much better.” Well, gosh, if you took two or three teaspoons, you’d be flying to the moon, so yes. I want you to…yes, go ahead.
Dr. Hotze: Well, listen, I need to get back on your ReMag, and I think we carried the other. We did for years, so I don’t know, we’ll check it again. But anyway, this is a wonderful conversation we’ve had with Dr. Carolyn Dean about yeast and the treatment of yeast and the adverse effects of having yeast in your system and how you can rid your body of yeast. And also, the benefits of magnesium, and Dr. Dean wrote a book called The Magnesium Miracle. Now, where, Dr. Dean, can they go to find this book, and what is your website?
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Well, that book is on Amazon, but I have 22 free eBooks at D-R CarolynDeanLive.com, and my product website is RNAreset.com.
Dr. Hotze: RNAreset.com, and your other website where they can buy the books is DrCarolynDean-
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Live. L-I-V-E.com.
Dr. Hotze: Live, L-I-V-E. That’s Carolyn, C-A-R-O-L-Y-N-
Dr. Carolyn Dean: O-L.
Dr. Hotze: Carolyn, D-E-A-N, Dr. Carolyn, D-R, CarolynDeanLive.com?
Dr. Carolyn Dean: That’s right.
Dr. Hotze: Okay, so I’d highly recommend you go there to look at her material and to purchase her book, her books, particularly the book on magnesium. We’ve used it extensively in our practice and it has been a godsend to millions…or thousands of our guests and millions of people around the world who have used magnesium.
I’ll give you one thing. If you have a problem with migraine headaches, and if it’s not hormonally-related, think of magnesium. We have seen magnesium resolve migraine headaches dramatically, which is a whole lot better than getting on a bunch of drugs, folks. Dr. Carolyn Dean has been a leader in this field, particularly in the field of natural approaches to health, particularly with magnesium, so she’s the expert on this and you’ve listened to her today. Doctor, thank you for joining us. We’re so pleased to have you, and it’s so good to hear your voice again. It’s a sound for sore ears.
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Oh. Oh, thank you.
Dr. Hotze: It really is.
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Yes. Thank you. Same here. It’s good to see you doing so well.
Dr. Hotze: God bless you.
Dr. Carolyn Dean: Appreciate what you’re doing. God bless.
Dr. Hotze: Okay.
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